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Duodecim 2005; 121:1371 (toimittaja M.S.)


Tutkijat löytävät ikivanhan Tyrannosaurus rexin luurangon pohjoisilta Kalliovuorilta. He demineralisoivat aseptisissa oloissa reisiluun palan ja onnistuvat eristämään läpinäkyviä, taipuisia ja onttoja verisuonia.


Suonia voi venyttää useita kertoja niin, että ne palautuvat alkuperäiseen kokoonsa. Suonet muodostavat luulle tyypillisen haarautuvan Haversin kanavien näköisen rakenteen. Suonen sisäpinnalla näkyy endoteelisolun tuman kaltaisia pullistumia ja mahdollisesti endoteelisolujen välisiä liitoksia. Suonten sisältä löytyy punaruskeita verisoluja tumanmuotoisine rakenteineen.


Immunologisissa kokeissa tyrannosauruksen luujauho reagoi evoluutiossa hyvin säilyneisiin antigeeneihin (kanan kollageeni ja lehmän osteokalsiini) kohdistuvien vasta-aineiden kanssa osoittaen, että näyte sisältää jonkin verran liskon alkuperäisiä proteiineja. Tutkijat jäävät selvittämään, onko tästä poikkeuksellisen hyvin säilyneestä fossiilista eristettävissä liskon DNA:ta.


Kyseessä ei ole uuden tieteiselokuvan prologi vaan paleontologiryhmän Science-lehdessä julkaisema raportti. Pehmytkudosten, kuten taipuisien suonten ja verisolujen näin erinomainen säilyminen viittaa siihen, että näytteissä olisi jäljellä alkuperäisiä proteiineja ja jopa DNA:ta. Tästä olisi kuitenkin vielä pitkä matka siihen huikeaan mahdollisuuteen, että nämä orgaaniset molekyylit olisivat todella säilyneet ehjinä. Kuusikymmentäkahdeksan miljoonaa vuotta vanhat verisuonet ja -solut näyttävät kuvissa kuitenkin niin samanlaisilta kuin nykyisin laboratoriossa eristetyt tuoreet vastineensa, että mielikuvitus lähtee helposti laukkaamaan."


Duodecim on ainoa suomalainen bio- ja lääketieteen PubMed-tietokannassa noteerattu vertaisarvioitu tiedelehti.

From http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090729103737.htm

Reexamination Of T. Rex Verifies Disputed Biochemical Remains
ScienceDaily (July 31, 2009) — A new analysis of the remains of a Tyrannosaurus rex (T. rex) that roamed Earth 68 million years ago has confirmed traces of protein from blood and bone, tendons, or cartilage. The findings, scheduled for publication in the Sept. 4 issue of the Journal of Proteome Research, is the latest addition to an ongoing controversy over which biochemical remnants can be detected in the dinosaur.


In the study, Marshall Bern, Brett S. Phinney and David Goldberg point out that the first analysis in 2007 of a well-preserved, fossilized T. rex bone identified traces of seven distinct protein fragments, or peptides, from collagen. That material is one of the primary components of bone, tendons and other connective tissue. However, later studies disputed that finding, suggesting that it was a statistical fluke or the result of contamination from another laboratory sample.


The scientists describe reanalysis of the T. rex data and also report finding evidence of substances found in collagen. "In summary, we find nothing obviously wrong with the Tyrannosaurus rex [analysis from 2007]," the report states. "The identified peptides seem consistent with a sample containing old, quite possibly very ancient, bird-like bone, contaminated with only fairly explicable proteins. Hemoglobin and collagen are plausible proteins to find in fossil bone, because they are two of the most abundant proteins in bone and bone marrow."

Marshall Bern, Brett S. Phinney and David Goldberg. Reanalysis of Tyrannosaurus Rex Mass Spectra. Journal of Proteome Research, Sept. 4, 2009 [link]
Adapted from materials provided by American Chemical Society, via EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS.


Tuorein havainto kentällä koskee Jura-kauden mustekalassa säilynyttä mustetta:


Ink found in Jurassic-era squid

Palaeontologists have drawn with ink extracted from a preserved fossilised squid uncovered during a dig in Trowbridge, Wiltshire.

The fossil, thought to be 150 million years old, was found when a rock was cracked open, revealing the one-inch-long black ink sac.

A picture of the creature and its Latin name was drawn using its ink.


Dr Phil Wilby of the British Geological Survey said it was an ancient creature similar to the modern-day squid.

"The structure is similar to ink from a modern squid so we can write with it," he said.


'Medusa effect'

The find was made at a site which was first excavated in Victorian times where thousands of Jurassic fossils with preserved soft tissues were found.

Dr Wilby, who led the excavation, said: "We think that these creatures were swimming around during the Jurassic period and were turned to stone soon after death. It's called the Medusa effect."

Experts believe one possibility is that thousands of the creatures congregated in the area to mate before being poisoned by algae in the water.

Remains of a different species of squid have also been found, suggesting the carcasses attracted predators to feed on them and they in turn also died.

Dr Wilby said: "They can be dissected as if they are living animals, you can see the muscle fibres and cells.

"It is difficult to imagine how you can have something as soft and sloppy as an ink sac fossilised in three dimension, still black, and inside a rock that is 150 million years old."

The specimen is now in the British Geological Survey collection in Nottingham.


Part of the ink sac has been sent to Yale University in America for more in-depth chemical analysis.

25 MARCH 2005 VOL 307 SCIENCE www.sciencemag.1852 org

Tyrannosaurus rex Soft Tissue Raises Tantalizing Prospects

It’s not Jurassic Park–style cloning, but a
remarkable find has given paleontologists
their most lifelike look yet inside Tyrannosaurus
rex—and, just possibly, a pinch of
the long-gone beast itself.

On page 1952, a team led by Mary
Schweitzer of North Carolina State University
in Raleigh describes dinosaur blood
vessels—still flexible and elastic after
68 million years—and apparently intact
cells. “If we have tissues that are not
fossilized, then we can potentially extract
DNA,” says Lawrence Witmer, a paleontologist
at Ohio University College of Osteopathic
Medicine in Athens. “It’s very exciting.”
But don’t f ire up the sequencing
machines just yet. Experts, and the team
itself, say they won’t be convinced that the
original material has survived unaltered
until further test results come in.

The skeleton was excavated in 2003 from
the Hell Creek Formation of Montana by
co-author Jack Horner’s crew at the Museum
of the Rockies in Bozeman, Montana. Back in
the lab, Schweitzer and her technician demineralized
the fragments by soaking them in a
weak acid. As the fossil dissolved, transparent
vessels were left behind. “It was totally shocking,”
Schweitzer says. “I didn’t believe it until
we’d done it 17 times.” Branching vessels also
appeared in fragments from a hadrosaur and
another Tyrannosaurus skeleton. Many of the
vessels contain red and brown structures that
resemble cells. And inside these are smaller
objects similar in size to the nuclei of the
blood cells in modern birds. The team also
found osteocytes,
cells that deposit bone
minerals, preserved
with slender filipodia
still intact.

If the cells consist
of original material,
paleontologists might
be able to extract
new informat ion
about dinosaurs. For
instance, they could
use the same sort of protein antibody testing
that helps biologists determine evolutionary
relationships of living organisms. “There’s a
reasonable chance that there may be intact proteins,”
says David Martill of the University of
Portsmouth, United Kingdom. Perhaps, he
says, even DNA might be extracted.

Hendrik Poinar of McMaster University
in Hamilton, Ontario, cautions that looks can
deceive: Nucleated protozoan cells have been
found in 225-million-year-old amber, but
geochemical tests revealed that the nuclei had
been replaced with resin compounds. Even
the resilience of the vessels may be deceptive.
Flexible fossils of colonial marine organisms
called graptolites have been recovered from
440-million-year-old rocks, but the original
material—likely collagen—had not survived.

Schweitzer is seeking funding for sophisticated
tests that would use techniques such as
mass spectroscopy and high performance liquid
chromatography to check for dino tissue.
As for DNA, which is less abundant and more
fragile than proteins, Poinar says it’s theoretically
possible that some may have survived, if
conditions stayed just right (preferably dry
and subzero) for 68 million years. “Wouldn’t
it be cool?” he muses, but adds “the likelihood
is probably next to none.”


Dinosauruksen lihaksia ja nahkaa löytyi USA:sta
Julkaistu 05.12.2007, klo 19.35

Dinosaurustutkijoilla on ollut antoisa viikko, sillä uusista löydöistä on kerrottu niin Yhdysvalloissa kuin Euroopassa.
Pohjois-Dakotasta Yhdysvalloista löydetty hadrosaurus ei lajina ole epätavallinen löytö, mutta on lähes ainutlaatuista, että kivettyneiden luiden lisäksi 67 miljoonan vuoden takaa on säilynyt myös lihaksia, nahkaa ja jänteitä. Tutkimusten edetessä paleontologit toivovat ruhosta paljastuvan jopa sisäelimiä.

Lihasten fossiileista paleontologit ovat päätelleet, että 7 - 9-metrisen kasvissyöjäsauruksen takamus oli paljon luultua lihaksikkaampi, mikä kasvattaa myös arviota otuksen huippunopeudesta. 45 kilometrin tuntivauhtia pinkonut hadrosaurus olisi ollut kyllin nopea pääsemään pakoon Tyrannosaurus rexiä. Samalta Hell Creekin alueelta on aiemmin löydetty useita T. rexin luurankoja sekä oletettavasti T. rexin ensimmäinen tunnettu jalanjälki.

Saalistajan välttelyssä auttoivat ilmeisesti myös suojaraidat, joita hadrosauruksella oli nahassaan. Nahan väriä kivettymästä ei valitettavasti voi päätellä, eikä DNA:nkaan löytyminen ole mahdollista, sillä kudosten kivettyessä mineraalit korvaavat orgaanisen aineen. Kivettyneinäkin dinosauruksen pehmytkudoksia on kuitenkin löydetty alle kymmenen kertaa. Hell Creekin yksilö säilyi poikkeuksellisen täydellisenä, koska se hautautui kuolemansa jälkeen nopeasti mutaan.

Dakotaksi nimetyn eläimen löysi paleontologiasta kiinnostunut koulupoika vuonna 1999, mutta tutkimuksissa on mennyt aikaa. Perinpohjaisen kuvan saamiseksi Dakota tutkitaan Boeingin lentokonetehtaalla maailman suurimmassa magneettikuvauslaitteessa, joka on yleensä varattu muun muassa avaruussukkuloiden moottorien tutkimiseen.

Reuters, AFP, AP

Eikä seuraava tarina ole palturia. MILJOONA ON SENTÄÄN MILJOONA! Lukeehan se painetussa sanassa. Mustaa valkoisella aivan selvästi.



"Miljoonavuotias bakteeri heräsi eloon

 Jäätiköiden uumenissa pakastuneet bakteerit säilyvät elinkelpoisina noin miljoona vuotta. Jopa kahdeksan miljoonan vuoden ikäiset bakteerit osoittavat elonmerkkejä, kun ne on sulatettu napajään uumenista.

Niiden dna on kuitenkin vahingoittunutta, ne kasvavat hitaasti eikä niistä saa lajimääritystä. Neljän yliopiston yhteishankkeessa tutkijat sulattivat jäänäytteitä, joiden ikä vaihteli 100 000 vuoden ja kahdeksan miljoonan vuoden välillä.

Aina miljoonan vuoden ikään asti näytteissä oli runsaasti bakteereita, jotka kasvoivat ja kaksinkertaistivat määränsä muutamassa päivässä. Vanhemmissa näytteissä bakteereita oli vähemmän ja kaksinkertaistuminen kesti 70 päivää.

Tutkijoiden mukaan koe osoitti, että dna:n "puoliintumisaika" on 1,1 miljoonaa vuotta. Tämän ajan kuluttua dna:sta on siis vielä puolet jäljellä. Vanhimmissa näytteissä oli jäljellä keskimäärin 210 emäsparia, kun normaalin bakteerin genomissa on kolme miljoonaa emäsparia.

Näytteet kerättiin Etelänapamantereelta, mistä löytyy maapallon vanhin jää. Napa-alueilla on myös dna:ta tuhoavaa kosmista säteilyä enemmän kuin muualla.

Tutkijoiden mukaan tulos romuttaa teorian, että elämä olisi saapunut maapallolle komeettojen mukana avaruudesta, koska dna ei olisi kestänyt avaruuden säteilypommitusta.

Tutkimuksessa olivat mukana Rutgersin, New Jerseyn osavaltion ja Bostonin yliopistot, ja julkaisun kirjoittaja on Rutgersin meritieteen apulaisprofessori Kay Bidle."

PS. Jo nopeimmin rasemisoituvan aminohapon, aspartaatin, puoliintumisaika D-muotoonsa huoneenlämmössä on 400 vuotta. Nollassa asteessa se hidastuu huomattavasti, ehkä jopa kymmenkertaisesti. Mutta jos suhde on 1:1 vähän joka aminohapolle, niin se itiö ei enää virkoa henkiin.



Dinosaur Blood Protein, Cells Recovered   04/30/2009    
April 30, 2009 — It’s official: soft tissue, including blood vessel proteins and structures resembling cells, have been recovered from dinosaur bone.  Mary Schweitzer’s amazing claim in 2005 (03/24/2005) was subsequently disputed as possible contamination from biofilms (07/30/2008).  Now, Schweitzer and her team took exceptional precautions to avoid contamination by excavating hadrosaur bone from sandstone said to be 80 million years old.  A short description of her findings, and a picture of the tissue, was announced today by New Scientist.  The paper followed shortly after in the May 1 issue of Science.1  A press release from Schweitzer’s institution, North Carolina State University, says that the preservation of soft tissue in this duck-billed dinosaur fossil was even better than the material from the T. rex bone analyzed in 2005.
    Robert F. Service commented on the finding in the same issue of Science.2  He was a little cautious, putting the word ‘protein” in quotes in his title, but then he said this:

A controversial finding that protein fragments can be recovered from dinosaur fossils has been replicated for the first time.  Two years ago, Mary Schweitzer, a paleontologist at North Carolina State University in Raleigh, and colleagues stunned the paleontology community when they reported discovering intact protein fragments in a fossil from a Tyrannosaurus rex that died 68 million years ago.  The claim has remained contentious, because proteins in tissue normally degrade quickly after an animal dies.  On page 626, however, Schweitzer and colleagues report finding an even larger number of protein fragments from an 80-million-year-old fossil from a duck-billed dinosaur, or hadrosaur, known as Brachylophosaurus canadensis.
    “This will either be nothing or the biggest revolution in paleontology ever,” says Tom Kaye, a paleontologist at the Burke Museum in Seattle, Washington, and a critic of the original T. rex study.

Service went on to say that “Collagen, the principal protein in connective tissue, is rarely found in fossils more than a few hundred thousand years old.”  Taking five as a few, that means this discovery would require believing it has lasted 160 times as long.
    In response to criticisms of the 2005 paper, Schweitzer’s team took extra care in the extraction and analysis of the specimen.  They used sterilized instruments to extract the bone samples and rushed them to the lab in sealed jars.  Two independent groups analyzed the samples.  “Both groups then independently performed biochemical and antibody-binding studies that showed evidence of collagen as well as laminin and elastin, two proteins found in blood vessels,” Service reported.  In addition, two independent teams used better mass spectrometry methods, and both confirmed the presence of collagen.  One of the specialists, John Asara of Harvard Medical School, said, “This proves the first study was not a one-hit wonder.
    What will critics say now?  Service ended by quoting Martin McIntosh of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, a critic of the first study.  McIntosh appeared uneasy with the implications.  “I’m not saying it’s true,” he said, holding out hope for an alternate explanation.  “But I cannot right now make a plausible argument that it’s not true.”  He added, “The door is closing on plausible alternatives.
    The original paper primarily documented the details of the extraction and analysis.  Chris Organ (Harvard) also performed a phylogenetic analysis, indicating enough primary material was available for comparison.  Despite the press release’s confidence that the proteins showed a link to birds, the data presented in the paper was more ambiguous and required some tweaking to produce a tree.3  That, however, is what Science seemed to emphasize, stating in the summary that “Analysis of well-preserved tissues from an 80-million-year-old hadrosaur supports the dinosaur-bird relationship.”
    Here’s how the original paper ended its announcement of replicated results that show the material is endogenous (original with the bone).  With appropriate scientific caution, they listed the evidence pointing to the confirmation of the hypothesis that the protein fragments once were part of a living dinosaur:

The hypothesis that endogenous proteins can persist across geological time, as first reported for T. rex (MOR 1125), was met with appropriate skepticism.  However, the inclusion of additional sequence data from extant reptiles and B. canadensis strengthens the hypothesis that the molecular signal is preserved at least to the Late Cretaceous.
    The submicron differences in texture (Fig. 1 and fig. S1), elemental differentiation, sub-“cellular” inclusions in osteocytes and vessels, identification of the posttranslational Pro-OH modification not produced by microbes, differential binding of antibodies by both in situ and immunoblot studies, collagen protein sequences, and phylogenetic analyses do not support a microbial origin for either these microstructures or peptide fragments.  Coupled with evidence for cross-linking and unusual chemical modifications, the congruence of evidence strongly supports an endogenous origin for this material.  The most parsimonious explanation, thus far unfalsified, is that original molecules persist in some Cretaceous dinosaur fossils.  Still unknown is the chemistry behind such preservation.

The paper also includes photographs of structures that resemble cells.  While they were cautious not to call them cells, they sure look like the real thing.  They used various lines of evidence to rule out bacterial contamination.4  This indicates the protein studied with mass spectrometry was not relegated to isolated fragments, but was retained in original cellular structures.  Were these cells really 80 million years old?

1.  Schweitzer, Zheng, Organ, Avci, Sui, Freimark, Lebleu, Duncan, Vander Heiden, Neveu, Lane, Cottrell, Horner, Cantley, Kalluri and Asara, “Biomolecular Characterization and Protein Sequences of the Campanian Hadrosaur B. canadensis,” Science, 1 May 2009: Vol. 324. no. 5927, pp. 626-631, DOI: 10.1126/science.1165069c.
2.  Robert F. Service, “Paleontology: ‘Protein’ in 80-Million-Year-Old Fossil Bolsters Controversial T. rex Claim,” Science, 1 May 2009: Vol. 324. no. 5927, p. 578, DOI: 10.1126/science.324_578.
3.  Excerpt from (1): “Under a majority-rule criterion to building a consensus tree, Dinosauria (the group containing the two extinct dinosaurs and the two birds) collapsed into a three-way polytomy.  Removing T. rex from the phylogeny resulted in a three-way polytomy as well.  The amount of missing data in B. canadensis and T. rex sequences relative to extant samples resulted in relatively low resolution within Dinosauria, but even so, the phylogenetic relationship of recovered B. canadensis sequences supports the species’ placement within Archosauria, closer to birds than AlligatorHowever, on the basis of well-established morphological analyses, we predict that T. rex is more closely related to birds than it is to the ornithischian hadrosaur B. canadensisDespite ambiguity within Dinosauria, obvious phylogenetic signal resides within recovered collagen sequences, supporting endogeneity (fig. S11).”
4.  “Ovoid red ‘cells’ with long filipodia, similar in morphology to extant osteocytes, were embedded in or associated with white matrix (Fig. 1J and fig. S1) or vessels (Fig. 1H).  In some cases, these were attached by their filipodia to adjacent cells (Fig. 1J, inset), forming an interconnecting network as in extant bone.  The cells contain internal microstructures suggestive of nuclei.  Red filipodia extend from cell bodies into the white fibrous matrix (Fig. 1J and fig. S1), reflecting original chemical differences at submicron levels between cells and matrix and inconsistent with recent microbial invasion (7).  Under FESEM (10), B. canadensis osteocytes and filipodia (Fig. 1K) are similar in morphology, surface texture, and size to extant ostrich osteocytes isolated from bone digests (Fig. 1L) (1, 2, 13, 14).”

It sounds like this will clinch the case.  There’s no way this blood protein could be 80 million years old.  The evolutionists are just saying it is because they cannot bear the thought of recent dinosaurs causing their millions of years scenario to come crashing down.  Without the millions of years, Darwinism is dead, dead, dead.
    Notice that it is not the creationists making these announcements but a secular research team and secular, anti-creationist news sources.  Combine this announcement with the next entry below, and it appears that two centuries of scientific doubts about the Bible’s timescale are over.  What are you waiting for?
Next headline on:  FossilsDinosaursDating Methods


Are Secular Geologists Ready to Consider a Global Flood? 

paper in the Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences suggests that some of them are re-evaluating the role of “megafloods” in earth history.  Some megafloods might be considered as “global planetary phenomena.”

Author Victor R. Baker was not thinking of Noah but of a more recent fellow, J Harlen Bretz (see 07/25/2008).  In his paper, “The Channeled Scabland: A Retrospective” in the May 2009 Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences,1 he retold the story of the brave geologist who bucked the established and proposed an “outrageous hypothesis” for the scarred landscape of eastern Washington state.  His 1927 proposal that an ice-age megaflood scoured the extensive channel network in a matter of days was met with scorn and derision.  Baker wrote, “the geological community largely resisted his bold hypothesis for decades, despite an enthusiastic, eloquent defense thereof” – Bretz was finally vindicated in the 1960s and his theory is the new consensus.
    Baker clearly states the reason for the rejection of Bretz’s hypothesis.  Geologists would not even consider such extensive processes, because their worldview assumptions could not accommodate them:

The prolonged nature of the Spokane Flood controversy arose in part because of the adherence of many geologists to substantive and epistemological presumptions of uniformitarianism (see sidebar) that were erroneously thought to underpin their science (Baker 1998).  According to a common, mistaken application of the uniformitarian principle, cataclysmic processes, like those responsible for the origin of the Channeled Scabland, were considered to be unsuitable topics for scientific investigation.  To counter this presumption of uniformitarianism, Bretz could only provide meticulously described field evidence for inspection by those willing to seriously consider it.  The eventual triumph of his hypothesis, against its initially antagonistic reception, set the stage for the resurgence of a new understanding of geological catastrophism, which is perhaps most prominent today in the acknowledged role of impact cratering in Earth’s history.

Baker has just said that the majority consensus can be wrong – for decades – because of worldview bias, or epistemological presumptions (i.e., presuppositions about what we know and how we know it).  These presumptions do not arise from the scientific evidence, but in spite of it: Bretz had the evidence, but his colleagues refused to see it, because in their worldview, such topics were “unsuitable ... for scientific investigation.”  This is not a discovery from science.  It is a statement of philosophy about science.  In the sidebar on uniformitarianism to which Baker referred, he said this:

Uniformitarianism is a regulative principle or doctrine in geology that unfortunately sometimes conflates (a) the pragmatic application of modern process studies to understanding the past (actualism) with (b) substantive presumptions that deny effectiveness to cataclysmic events.  As recognized by William Whewell, who invented the term, meaning b is contrary to the logic of science (Baker 1998).2 

(For information about Whewell, see the June 2007 Scientist of the Month.)  Most of Baker’s paper reviews the evidence in the Channeled Scablands for a megaflood when Lake Missoula breached its ice dam, sending a million cubic feet of water per second towards the Pacific.  The evidence includes coulees, cataracts, gravel fans and bars, streamlined residual hills and islands, giant current ripples in the shape of dunes, and large isolated boulders.  He discussed the high-energy processes that left this evidence: vertical vortices (kolks), plucking and cavitation, bedrock erosion and transport.  “The scabland megaflooding exhibited phenomenal sediment transport capability, as evidenced by the boulders that were entrained by the flow,” he said.  He showed a picture of an 18m boulder that was transported 10 km by the raging waters.  The car beside the rock looks small by comparison.
    What is the lesson of J Harlen Bretz and the Spokane Flood controversy?  Baker discussed this in the ending paragraphs, entitled, “Megafloods as Global Planetary Phenomena”.  Have geologists been misapplying uniformitarian presumptions, ignoring evidence for megafloods all around them, on the earth – and even on Mars?

Bretz thought the landforms of the Channeled Scabland to be unique (Bretz 1928a).  “Nowhere in the world is there known or suspected,” he wrote (Bretz 1959, p. 56), “a story at all comparable to what we read from the scabland forms.”  He reasoned that its uniqueness might make his Spokane Flood hypothesis more acceptable to those who held to the generalization that landscapes are created by the prolonged action of noncataclysmic processes.  In recent years, however, cataclysmic flood landscapes with many similarities to the Channeled Scabland have increasingly been documented in many parts of the world (Baker 1997, 2002, 2007).  Spectacular examples of GCRs [giant current ripples] are found in central Asia (Baker et al. 1993, Carling 1996, Rudoy 2005), along with immense gravel bars and scour marks (Rudoy & Baker 1993, Carling et al. 2002, Herget 2005).  Megaflood streamlined hill morphologies occur in the glacial lake spillway channels of central North America (Kehew & Lord 1986) and on the floor of the English Channel (Gupta et al. 2007).  Most surprising to Bretz, however, would be the discovery of scabland-like morphologies on Mars (Baker & Milton 1974; Baker 1982, 2001; Komatsu & Baker 2007).
    In addition to stimulating discoveries of cataclysmic flood landscapes, studies of the patterns, forms, and processes evident in the Channeled Scabland have informed understanding of processes that occur at smaller scales in modern bedrock channels that are impacted by extreme, high-energy floods (e.g., Baker 1977, 1984; Baker & Pickup 1987; Baker & Kochel 1988; Baker & Kale 1998).  Slackwater deposition by scabland flooding at the mouths of various valleys tributary to the Cheney-Palouse scabland channels (Bretz 1929, Patton et al. 1979) was used to infer flow depths along those channels (Figure 10).  This methodology proved to be critical in stimulating the development of that form of paleoflood hydrology that utilizes paleostage indicators for the reconstruction of relatively recent (late Holocene) floods, thereby increasing our understanding the frequencies of rare, modern high-magnitude floods (Baker 1987, 2006, 2008b).  Indeed, one can envision a kind of investigation that inverts the usual reasoning process whereby studies of common, small-scale processes are extrapolated to the domain of less common, unobserved large-scale processes.

What should future geologists do?  Baker ended by discussing future challenges to understanding the Channeled Scablands.  One problem, for instance, is that the volume of water stored in hypothetical Lake Missoula seems “insufficient to account for the indicated levels of maximum inundation throughout the Channeled Scabland and adjacent area.”  One possibility is “subglacial outburst flooding from under the Cordilleran Ice Sheet,” he suggested.  Details aside, Baker had a concluding remark about bold hypotheses, the nature of scientific inquiry and understanding, and the need to think outside the box:

In retrospect, studies of the Channeled Scabland might be viewed as concerned with the unique origins of a single landscape.  However, this remarkable landscape was not studied to test a preexisting hypothesis or theory (e.g., erosion and deposition by high-energy megaflooding).  Instead, discoveries about the Channeled Scabland are leading scientific inquiry to the recognition of what can now be seen as related phenomena, such that a completely new theory is required.  The resulting rich set of research opportunities traces back to a single imaginative hypothesis proposed in the 1920s by J Harlen Bretz.  Though these opportunities may now be pursued with techniques that to Bretz would have seemed almost magical, the most important pathway to advancing understanding remains that which is best exemplified by Bretz’s most lasting contribution: informed and insightful geological fieldwork.

1. Baker, VR.  The Channeled Scabland: A Retrospective.  Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences. Vol. 37: 393-411 (Volume publication date May 2009; doi:10.1146/annurev.earth.061008.134726).
2. Baker VR. 1998.  Catastrophism and uniformitarianism: Logical roots and current relevance. In Lyell: The Past Is the Key to the Present, ed. DJ Blundell, AC Scott, Spec. Publ. 143, pp. 171–82. London: Geol. Soc.

Hallelujah!  A secular geologist finally gets it.  Geological science is not always driven by evidence, but by presumptions.  This is one of the most remarkable papers from a secular journal in recent memory.  It contains lessons for history of science, philosophy of science, rhetoric of science, and the interplay of logic and empiricism.
    Before continuing, let the reader understand that Victor Baker is not doubting long ages and evolution.  He believes, for instance, that multiple flooding events from Lake Missoula occurred over many thousands of years, the last occurring about 14,500 years ago.  It would be unfair to portray Baker as supporting creationist Flood geology.  Baker would undoubtedly be angry to be tarred with such associations.  Nevertheless, it is certainly fair to take the same principles and methods he advocated and think outside his box, too.  Maybe he is on the right track but doesn’t go far enough.
    Consider first the empirical evidence.  Baker evaluated evidence of high-energy transport processes that are certainly not uniformitarian.  Creationist Flood geologists date the Spokane Floods as post-diluvial (i.e., after the global Flood of Noah’s day).  The same kind of evidence of high-energy transport, though, is visible throughout the deeper layers of the Grand Canyon.  The Great Unconformity, for instance, displays a sudden scouring of the top of basement rock, on which sit most of the sedimentary layers.  This Great Unconformity is arguably a worldwide phenomenon.  So here is prima facie evidence for a global megaflood in earth history.  Right on top of this flat surface (where evolutionists put an imaginary time gap of a billion years) lie the sedimentary layers of the Tapeats Sandstone.  In the Tapeats are huge boulders, suggesting the same high-energy transport Baker inferred in the Scablands – not slow deposition over millions of years.  The Tapeats, and layers above all the way into the Redwall, show soft sediment deformation in places.  Fault lines extend all the way from bottom to top.  Most of the contacts between the formations are flat, suggesting there were no time gaps between them.  Evolutionists invent time gaps of 10 million years, 60 million years, even 100 million years between some of these formations, just to keep them in sync with their evolutionary assumptions, but you can see with your own eyes that the layers are flat, like a layered cake, with no evidence of the passage of time between them.  These are other strong evidences of megaflood far exceeding anything in the Channeled Scablands.  To the unbiased mind, the same kind of inferences made at Scablands can be extrapolated at Grand Canyon to infer a megaflood of global proportions.  Genesis 6-9 then can be re-examined as a historical record, not myth.  It left empirical evidence of its power.
    Consider also the philosophical and logical lessons of this paper.  For decades, from the 1920s to the 1960s, uniformitarian geologists had blinders on.  Their worldview prevented them from seeing evidence that was there for the looking.  This should be remembered when creationists are criticized for having “religious motivations” for their scientific models.  That criticism cuts both ways.  Terry Mortenson, in The Great Turning Point, documented how it was anti-Biblical worldview bias that turned Lyell, Hutton and the other founders of uniformitarianism into apologists for billions of years.  Quotes from Lyell show he had a conspiratorial attitude, with a goal of turning the universities against the Scriptural geologists.  Like Darwin, these moyboys (pushers of “millions of years, billions of years”) did not “discover” their theories in the data; they instituted a framework for interpreting the data (04/29/2009).  This framework served (and continues to serve) to insulate their evolutionary philosophy from falsification.  They have put blinders on with their own biased hands.
    Baker praised J Harlen Bretz for providing “informed and insightful fieldwork” in support of his bold hypothesis.  It took years for that fieldwork to cut through the dogma of the uniformitarians, and now, neo-catastrophism is enjoying a renaissance after 150 years of dogma.  Guess what: creationist geologists have been doing “informed and insightful fieldwork” for decades, too.  It doesn’t get seen much by the mainstream secular scientific societies, because they have a vested interest in maintaining their evolutionary worldview from serious challenge.  But it is good work.  You can find it in published journals from the Creation Research Society, Creation Ministries International, Institute for Creation Research, Answers in Genesis and Center for Scientific Creation, among others.  You can also see the Flood evidence with your own eyes by taking one of Tom Vail’s rafting trips down the Grand Canyon (see Canyon Ministries; highly recommended for fun as well as education).
    Victor Baker did not propose a global Flood like that described in Genesis, but he did bring in some much-needed fresh air into the discussion about how science should be conducted.  He pointed out the propensity for worldview bias, even among the leading geologists of the world, that can blind them from evidence for half a century.  Nothing in his paper advocates a global megaflood – but nothing rules it out, either.  The principles and historical lessons he advocated should liberate those not beholden to blinding uniformitarian presumptions to ask, boldly, “Noah’s Flood – why not?”
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Jos painovoima loppuisi NYT! niin milloin se vaikuttaisi miljardin valovuoden päässä olevassa kohteessa? Tangentin suuntaisesti.
Valovuodet eivät ole ajan yksikkö. Valovuosi mittaa etäisyyttä, ei historiaa.

Edes valonnopeus ei mahdollisesti olekaan vakio ja saattaa rapistua asymptoottisesti arvoon 300 000 km/s.

Mutta  "gravitonia" ei ole vielä löydettykään. Se on liian nopea. Ajan lyhyt hysteria.


If Gravitation would stop to exist NOW! When would it be seen in a remote star?

 Straight via tangentia.

Light years are not a measure of time or history, but of distance.

 Even the speed of light may not be constant, after all, and may decay asymptotically to 300 000 km/s.

In contrast to the Photon, the "Graviton" has not been even found yet. It is so fast. The short hystery of time.